Wednesday, October 1, 2008

WED. OCT. 1 - Finding Value Amid The Rubble

Particularly in the long-run, one always tries to find ‘value’ and pick bottoms after a lengthy market decline. It is human nature for a trader/investor to do so. But really, how do any of us know what ‘value’ is? In the last few days, companies such as Nike (NKE) and Hewlett Packard (HPQ) have announced extensive buyback programs. This is a notable sign that some companies feel that their stock prices have reached levels at which they feel it is prudent to accumulate shares of their own stock. Otherwise, why buy the shares? The only reason to buy stocks in a market like this is not merely to support your share price because the firms can get drubbed which his obviously the last ting shareholders want. Rather, the companies must feel that there must be value in their own shares. Late last week, we may have found a very definitive answer at one company anyway. On September 10, Joy Global (JOYG) re-set the parameters for their buyback program. The Board of Directors of the company increased the authorization for the buyback from $1 billion to $2 billion worth of stock and extended the last day for completing share repurchases to Dec. 31, 2011 rather than the end of 2008. Furthermore, the company is expected to finish the first $1 billion of repurchasing by the end of 2008. The reason this is important is as such: the market capitalization of the company is approximately $5 billion. Thus, JOYG is buying back at least 20% of their shares over time plus whatever is left in their current buyback. With shares of the stock having fallen 50% from their high a few months ago, this is the company’s way of saying that they think the stock has gotten cheap. Ostensibly, they are privatizing up to 40% of themselves in removing the shares from the float. Does this mean with 100% certainty that the stock is going to halt its decline? Of course not. But, again, what it does tell us is that the company feels like its shares have gotten cheap. For day traders, it is a situation to monitor because these buybacks will likely increase in frequency over time plus the intra-day pops the stocks get (i.e. POT on September 12) can be rather extensive. Thus, keep en eye on which companies announce these buybacks because these are the stocks that will more likely do well whenever the market does eventually turn around; furthermore, the more this practice is commenced, the higher the likelihood of a true market bottom.

Overnight, markets in Asia were mildly higher while markets turned slightly negative again in Europe. Rumors are that the U.S. Senate will change 'the bill' nad pass it tonight; in the interim, look for stocks to come in a bit following yesterday's light volume rally in a thin volatile session marked by little news making it difficult today to day trade.

Reiterating-If the whole story is not there -
If something is good, assume either a short thru unchanged or an A-B-A2 based on direction of the market unless specifiedIf something is bad, assume either a buy thru unchanged or an A-B-A2 based on direction of the market unless specified

Lots of imbalances again:

Good-

Either buy thru unch or A-B-A2 to downside because these were all artificially high closes:

FRZ- rallied 65 cents on close

MET- rallied 3 ½ on close

PRU- rallied 4 on close

ALD- rallied 1.15 on close

BK/WFC- rallied sharply on close

GOOG- had bizarre finish yesterday with many trades recalled by NASDAQ; anywhere below 400 on an open is a buy point unless it is due to a downgrade

LVS- The CEO is pumping in his own money - $475 million- as seed capital for the company as a loan

GME- buying France’s largest video game retailer

Bad-

HIG- all sorts of rumors of exposure to AIG, et al and how bad it is…if it opens down but market strong, definite buy thru unch

NARA- closed very weak yesterday

MECA- down sharply after being forced to amend debt agreements…may follow-through to downside today

FDO- oddly lower yesterday ahead of earnings on Friday

HK- reducing capital sending for the year by 1/3…not a good sign for the company’s future prospects

PDX- warned on earnings guidance


Earnings-

WED OCT 1 BEF

ATU .54/426M .56/437M 2.05/1.69B 2.31/1.77B

WWW .60/325M .51/371M 1.90/1.25B 2.10/1.32B

WED OCT 1 AFT

BLUD .23/71M .22/72M .95/297M 1.21/348M

MOS 2.93/4.12B 3.40/4.67B 13.99/19.04B 16.90/21.61B

MU -.22/1.55B -.14/1.62B -1.26/5.94B -.27/6.66B


Good luck today.

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1 Comments:

At October 1, 2008 7:04 PM , Blogger ProTrading Network said...

(Oct 01-09:56) JoeD: bk nice call
(Oct 01-09:57) ekolodny2: may try again ntrs
(Oct 01-09:58) ekolodny2: got me again. in 72, out 71.92
(Oct 01-09:59) ekolodny2: stil lfestering fury that I missed AGM
(Oct 01-10:00) gregh: mkt big leg down
(Oct 01-10:00) KSwan: oil big leg up
(Oct 01-10:00) ekolodny2: MA/V at lwos...canot short V
(Oct 01-10:01) ekolodny2: missed MA
(Oct 01-10:01) coach has joined.
(Oct 01-10:01) ekolodny2: MA just broke 1 1/2
(Oct 01-10:04) KSwan: oils stocks got crushed
(Oct 01-10:05) TomM has joined.
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(Oct 01-10:05) JoeD: ntrs
(Oct 01-10:08) KSwan: good call, ntrs
(Oct 01-10:10) KSwan: POT getting slammed
(Oct 01-10:10) ekolodny2: got it that time...3rd time charm.
(Oct 01-10:11) ekolodny2: HK maybe 20
(Oct 01-10:11) gregh: loved NTRS, couldnt pull trigger with market where it is
(Oct 01-10:11) jimb: SAME HERE
(Oct 01-10:11) whoop: .and here.
(Oct 01-10:11) KSwan: It seemed too thin for me
(Oct 01-10:12) KSwan: JPM hod
(Oct 01-10:13) ekolodny2: it is muc hdeeper than that, guys. if JPM, C, BAC, WFC all at/near highs of dau, why shouldn't NTRS do the same? Same industry
(Oct 01-10:14) jimb: WFC was tanking when NTRS went wasnt it?
(Oct 01-10:15) KSwan: For me, it's the .10 (at least) spread in the quote. When you're wrong and it goes against you, it can feel very scary because your out becomes so far away.
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(Oct 01-10:17) gregh: hk closer. thin
(Oct 01-10:19) KSwan: BK again?
(Oct 01-10:19) KSwan: went up a little too quickly, I think.
(Oct 01-10:22) KSwan: Oil numbers in about 10 minutes
(Oct 01-10:23) ekolodny2: MGM thru new low if LVS goesto new low
(Oct 01-10:23) JerryC has left.
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(Oct 01-10:25) ekolodny2: AGAIn, LVS NOT shortable
(Oct 01-10:28) ekolodny2: shroted MGM 78, out half 55, balance 40
(Oct 01-10:29) bruce: JPM hod
(Oct 01-10:30) ray: WFC hod
(Oct 01-10:32) JoeD: cah hod?
(Oct 01-10:33) JoeD: nuan hod?
(Oct 01-10:34) JoeD: oil numbers
(Oct 01-10:35) ekolodny2: OIL HIT
(Oct 01-10:37) JoeD: kbe hod
(Oct 01-10:40) JoeD: stp unch
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(Oct 01-10:41) JoeD: hsy 40.50?
(Oct 01-10:41) ekolodny2: oil throttled...consequence of shrot selling rule...major banks near hod...but hedgies have to shrot something
(Oct 01-10:42) whoop: coal stocks crushed again
(Oct 01-10:44) ekolodny2: maybe RRI
(Oct 01-10:46) ekolodny2: no to RRI...was 6.75 when I typed it
(Oct 01-10:47) ekolodny2: AAPL lod...not tradingit at this point, but monitoring
(Oct 01-10:49) KSwan: ACI?
(Oct 01-10:51) ekolodny2: shoted AAPl 108, out 107.80 avg..on verge of getting back into rapid-fire trading mode
(Oct 01-10:51) KSwan: missed CSIQ thru unch
(Oct 01-10:55) ekolodny2: if you do ANY of this stuff, i.e. AAPL, ACI, et al and it does nto go your way, get out. Or you will lose your day in any rally. Very quick rapid-fire envitonment
(Oct 01-10:55) KSwan: WFC nearing hod again
(Oct 01-10:56) ekolodny2: all banks strong
(Oct 01-11:02) beverly has left.
(Oct 01-11:09) ray: ACI approaching lod
(Oct 01-11:19) gregh: bk big leg up near unch
(Oct 01-11:19) ekolodny2: insurance stocks continue to be belted...may be down due to worries to exposure to the LEH, WM, of the world? PRU, TRV, HIG, CB all down
(Oct 01-11:21) gregh: ZION taking off as well
(Oct 01-11:24) gregh: JPM through. tried and missed
(Oct 01-11:25) whoop: C starting to stag at 22
(Oct 01-11:28) gregh: STI off to the races as well
(Oct 01-11:29) AlisherM has left.
(Oct 01-11:31) ekolodny2: ALD 01 maybe
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(Oct 01-11:39) gregh: serious reloader bac
(Oct 01-11:42) ekolodny2: BAC 37 padding on, but QUICK out if keeps relaoding
(Oct 01-11:42) JoeD has left.
(Oct 01-11:43) gregh: NTRS!?
(Oct 01-11:43) whoop: yes BK went right thru - no stag at all
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(Oct 01-11:44) whoop: yet
(Oct 01-11:44) ekolodny2: missed BK...tried buying a LOT...totally utterly missed
(Oct 01-11:44) gregh: STI leading the way
(Oct 01-11:46) ekolodny2: REALLY like the ALD 01...VERY thin
(Oct 01-11:58) ekolodny2: bought ALD huge 01...out of 2/3 of it 10/12/13...keeping rest for now...may buy more 25
(Oct 01-11:58) ekolodny2: missed BAC
(Oct 01-12:00) ekolodny2: out more 11
(Oct 01-12:01) ekolodny2: just will not launch
(Oct 01-12:03) ekolodny2: out of rest 11
(Oct 01-12:03) ekolodny2: just won't go
(Oct 01-12:03) ekolodny2: cnanot chance it now with financials selling off a little
(Oct 01-12:04) ekolodny2: had all variables in place, bad news, good tech pattern, market rallying, thought at least 20 cents (and maybe a point) there...made a dime on good size, but another broken dream
(Oct 01-12:06) KSwan has left.
(Oct 01-12:06) gregh: ALD above 20. big offer 25
(Oct 01-12:18) ekolodny2: taking quick walk...nto a good feeling ALD right now in my stomach and taking a few minutes so I don't do somethuing stupid
(Oct 01-12:23) ekolodny2: COF if mkt rallies
(Oct 01-12:24) ekolodny2: missed
(Oct 01-12:32) gregh: JPM figure maybe
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(Oct 01-12:50) ray: HK moved a lot but at hod
(Oct 01-12:54) ekolodny2: JPM was widowmaker. Bought 02's, got to 08. Fell 30 cents or so while market rallied. In a blink. Boight a little more 83. Sold 49.01 average
(Oct 01-12:55) gregh: ditto. was able to get off half at 95 when it first failed. avg 89
(Oct 01-12:57) ekolodny2: can AIG go thru 4 and then g o20 cents?
(Oct 01-12:57) ekolodny2: Probably not
(Oct 01-12:57) ekolodny2: thinking
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(Oct 01-13:23) ekolodny2: wow...in time, CALM 90
(Oct 01-13:40) gregh has left.
(Oct 01-13:44) ekolodny2: makret EXPLODING HIGHER
(Oct 01-13:45) bruce: ge news
(Oct 01-13:45) ekolodny2: RIGHT
(Oct 01-13:45) ekolodny2: warrne buffett ge
(Oct 01-13:45) bruce: exactly
(Oct 01-13:49) jimb: did GE stop trading?
(Oct 01-14:07) tims has left.
(Oct 01-14:08) jimb: that was a nice pop
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(Oct 01-14:31) ekolodny2: CNBC NOW
(Oct 01-14:38) coach: gs tests hod
(Oct 01-14:46) whoop: MI..may be setting up..not sure of reward..
(Oct 01-14:49) whoop: missed MI..bad judgement here...
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(Oct 01-15:05) ekolodny2: in time, RRI
(Oct 01-15:07) whoop: RRI thru 6.50 if/when..?
(Oct 01-15:07) ekolodny2: want it to sagnate some in here...may not need it...look what it did yesterday
(Oct 01-15:08) whoop: was actually looking at stocks - did not even see Eriks post..same thoughts here
(Oct 01-15:12) whoop: tried it....didn't work..yet
(Oct 01-15:14) ekolodny2: in 50, out 51.
(Oct 01-15:14) whoop: in .50, out .53 avg
(Oct 01-15:25) ekolodny2: can one make 20 cent in HTZ?
(Oct 01-15:26) ekolodny2: look on daily/look on 5
(Oct 01-15:26) whoop: MON lod is 7 HTZ
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(Oct 01-15:36) ekolodny2: SLM, AEL, LXP, RAx all on/near lows...none shortable
(Oct 01-15:43) ekolodny2: AA 875600 to buy, NCC 19577900 to buy (NOT SHORTABLE), PFE 655900 to sell, UGI 639600 to sell, HRH 441600 to sell
(Oct 01-15:44) ekolodny2: BLUD/MOS/MU after-hour earnings
(Oct 01-15:46) TomM has left.
(Oct 01-15:46) whoop: wow...HTZ....will remember that one...good idea
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(Oct 01-15:58) ekolodny2: NCC dow nto 8.8 mil to buy...UGI 300K to sell; eveyrthing else nto really of consequence
(Oct 01-15:59) ray has left.
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(Oct 01-16:02) ekolodny2: USI went the OTHER way
(Oct 01-16:02) ekolodny2: free money...but the OTHER way
(Oct 01-16:04) bruce has left.
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(Oct 01-16:06) whoop: CNW cutting '08 guidance....
(Oct 01-16:09) whoop: CW also lowering '08 guidance
(Oct 01-16:10) tims has left.
(Oct 01-16:10) whoop: g'night all
(Oct 01-16:11) whoop has left.
(Oct 01-16:18) ekolodny2: NCC rallied...weird
(Oct 01-16:23) ekolodny2: SMSC horrid warning
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(Oct 01-17:24) ekolodny2: MOS ravaged
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